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Offline smilebit199

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I just started my own painting business (PLEASE HELP)
« on: June 27, 2011, 09:36:20 PM »
I had no real business doing so but needed the money and took the lumps as they came.  While I'm still very new to this trade (about 3 months in, never worked with or for anyone before) it seems like little problems almost always pop up.  If you're bored and don't mind helping a kid just out of high school out please let me know what I'm doing wrong.  OK, here's what is currently on my mind...

1) Recently I painted a few homes where I was given a few gallons of paint and asked to paint over the walls as is. The problem I'm running into is that, once everything dries, the areas where I cut in with my bush, show my imperfect brush strokes. It almost looks like I need to cut in twice over everything to get rid of this. Do I need to slow it down and make sure I provide a think coat of even paint when I cut in or what? I've noticed this on the ceilings as well. It's not horrible, but it isn't perfect. Any suggestions? 

I would cut in twice but then I fail to see how pro painters hammer out basic rooms in a couple hours or less. 

2)When you are cutting in on real sensative areas (around door trim) how many bristles (about) are laying the paint down? I've talked to some painters that say as little as two or three bristles gives you enough paint and precision to cut. I've gotten into a habit of using 1/4th or 1/8th of my brush. Any ideas?


Thanks so much for taking the time.  I appreciate it and I'm sure my future clients will appreciate it as well.

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Re: I just started my own painting business (PLEASE HELP)
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2011, 09:52:09 PM »
Sorry, one last question (for now)...

Whenever I talk to a real painter I always ask them how long it takes them to do a basic room.  Say, a 14 x 10 bedroom with one window, closet, and door.  I'm always amazed at how quickly they say they can get it done. 

If someone asks me to put on one coat of paint (no primer, no trimwork, no baseboards) it might take me about 2 hours.  I still tape my baseboards and trim around doors but I can cut in pretty well with just my brush at the ceiling.  If I have to do two coats it takes me almost 3 hours.  If I have to do two coats plus trim/baseboards, it might take me 6 or so hours.

Is this way too long or what?  I'm still so new that I'm charging by the hour but would like to leave my customers with a great value.  Once again thanks for your time. 

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Re: I just started my own painting business (PLEASE HELP)
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2011, 08:23:45 AM »
The simple answer is this:
Painting is a skilled trade, just like a carpenter, electrician, plumber, etc. You have no experience, so you are not skilled. Go to work for someone else for several years to learn, then try it on your own.

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Re: I just started my own painting business (PLEASE HELP)
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2011, 02:42:42 PM »
just remember , it takes a long time to fine tune your skills faster is not allways better it takes me a day or better to paint a room like your saying but when im done my customers are very pleased with the work ive done and it s alot easier to make money that way (remember the saying "you get what you pay for")

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Re: I just started my own painting business (PLEASE HELP)
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2011, 08:28:56 PM »
The simple answer is this:
Painting is a skilled trade, just like a carpenter, electrician, plumber, etc. You have no experience, so you are not skilled. Go to work for someone else for several years to learn, then try it on your own.

That's not really an option for me.

Can anyone else touch upon the questions asked in the OP?

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Re: I just started my own painting business (PLEASE HELP)
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2011, 06:55:44 AM »
The simple answer is this:
Painting is a skilled trade, just like a carpenter, electrician, plumber, etc. You have no experience, so you are not skilled. Go to work for someone else for several years to learn, then try it on your own.

That's not really an option for me.

Can anyone else touch upon the questions asked in the OP?

I would make it one.
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Re: I just started my own painting business (PLEASE HELP)
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2011, 01:48:26 PM »
I had no real business doing so but needed the money..............................I'm still very new to this trade (about 3 months in, never worked with or for anyone before)...................................That's not really an option for me.
Well, sorry to sound harsh, but prepare to fail. Owning a painting business, let alone any business, is not easy. You have no skills, no experience, and probably no business training, what makes you think you can succeed at this? Hopefully you will be able to walk away before you lose any serious money...

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Re: I just started my own painting business (PLEASE HELP)
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2011, 02:54:25 PM »
I had no real business doing so but needed the money..............................I'm still very new to this trade (about 3 months in, never worked with or for anyone before)...................................That's not really an option for me.
Well, sorry to sound harsh, but prepare to fail. Owning a painting business, let alone any business, is not easy. You have no skills, no experience, and probably no business training, what makes you think you can succeed at this? Hopefully you will be able to walk away before you lose any serious money...

According to a variety of sources, anywhere between 65% and 75% of start up businesses fail in their first year. 

Skill is a VERY subjective word.  To a 3rd grader, I am basically Lebron James at basketball.  I player four years in high school and could dunk in practice.  To anyone on a D1 squad I'm fairly poor seeing as I don't really have a left hand and my court vision is lacking.  The same concept applies to painting.  The majority of home owners can't paint at all.  I can assure you, the experience I do have is very attractive to a certain segment of the population.  Seeing as you don't know how I market myself or what I tell my customers, many of the above posters are coming off oddly sensitive to this issue. 

I feel that it would be more productive to simply address the questions I had rather than say "You can't do this.  You're going to fail."  If you feel that way, fine.  But this is America and everyone is allowed to give new things a shot.  If anyone feels like being nice please try to help me.  Not only will I appreciate it but so will my customers as well.

Thank you.

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Re: I just started my own painting business (PLEASE HELP)
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2011, 06:21:08 PM »
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To a 3rd grader, I am basically Lebron James at basketball.

Fair enough, but you actually played basketball for four years at school so you had some experience and were coached in the game. You were taught and developed some level of skill. To a 3rd grader you might be Michealangelo at painting but that's a rather sad way of comparing yourself. Thing is when it comes to pro-basketball you don't have the skills to be employed by those that actually matter because 3rd graders don't hire people nor have the life experience of being able to make an informed comparison between you and anyone else. Using 3rd graders as an example of how skilled you are shows how inexperienced you are in business. The target group of people who need their homes painting are not 3rd graders, they are adult home owners who are unlikely to be excited about somebody paint their home who has little or no experience in the field. Try and be honest with yourself instead of being arrogant. If you owned a home that needed repairs would you hire someone to replace the roof who had never done it before? If your electrical wiring was old and had to be replaced would you hire someone who had never been employed to do any of that before to do it for you? Go out and paint, I don't care, but just make sure when that paint starts falling off next year because you didn't prep properly or use the correct products that you go back and fix it.


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Re: I just started my own painting business (PLEASE HELP)
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2011, 07:10:57 PM »
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To a 3rd grader, I am basically Lebron James at basketball.

Fair enough, but you actually played basketball for four years at school so you had some experience and were coached in the game. You were taught and developed some level of skill. To a 3rd grader you might be Michealangelo at painting but that's a rather sad way of comparing yourself. Thing is when it comes to pro-basketball you don't have the skills to be employed by those that actually matter because 3rd graders don't hire people nor have the life experience of being able to make an informed comparison between you and anyone else. Using 3rd graders as an example of how skilled you are shows how inexperienced you are in business. The target group of people who need their homes painting are not 3rd graders, they are adult home owners who are unlikely to be excited about somebody paint their home who has little or no experience in the field. Try and be honest with yourself instead of being arrogant. If you owned a home that needed repairs would you hire someone to replace the roof who had never done it before? If your electrical wiring was old and had to be replaced would you hire someone who had never been employed to do any of that before to do it for you? Go out and paint, I don't care, but just make sure when that paint starts falling off next year because you didn't prep properly or use the correct products that you go back and fix it.

Once again, and I don't mean to sound arrogant, but you just don't know enough about my situation to have this adamant of an opinion.  As I said in my earlier post, you don't know how I advertise, what I tell my clients, or the extent of my skill set.  You simply don't have enough information to put something like this together.

Also, I think my 3rd grade - me - Lebron James analogy still holds true.  I am significantly more skilled than the non painter at this moment in time.  I'm confident in saying that. 

You bring up an interesting phrase though.  You said "target group".  The target group that is wanting to hire a painter varies A TON.  Most people know there is a difference between a licensed career painter and someone in my position.  I would also say that, for the majority of my clients, they have come out benefiting a great deal by using me as opposed to a liscenced career painter.

If you don't want to help then that is your choice.  I just don't see the need for the whole "quit paining.  you don't belong here." mentality when you don't know what type of person I am, where my skills are at, and what my personal situation is.

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Re: I just started my own painting business (PLEASE HELP)
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2011, 06:13:54 AM »
So, from what I understand, you have no experience, no insurance, no license, no clients, and you think that we  do not have enough information to form a knowledgeable opinion of you're skills? Come on, you have none and yet come here to a professional painting site asking for help. You certainly need it, but I am afraid you will find no sympathy here, go to a DYI site and ask you're questions, you might get some help there.
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Re: I just started my own painting business (PLEASE HELP)
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2011, 08:30:20 AM »
Well, I will answer this as if it is a real question, even though I wonder that it may not be real.   Always plan on two coats.  The only time one coat may be allright is if it is a similar color and the paint is flat.  In a standard sized room like your average bedroom, I can easily finish the walls in 4-6 hours, two coats.   The time usually depends on how much patching is involved.   Pro painters do not hammer out rooms in a couple of hours.   Those are called apartment painters.

As far as the business side, it's just going to take time to build up speed.  I don't understand why you can't go work for someone for a while either, but if you can obtain work by BS'ing people into thinking that actually know how to paint and you keep landing jobs, then why not? I just think it will be obvious to a potential client that you have minimal experience and most will just hire someone else that actually knows how to sell paint jobs.  You certainly can't make any money if you are sitting at home.

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Re: I just started my own painting business (PLEASE HELP)
« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2011, 09:53:09 AM »
Well, I will answer this as if it is a real question, even though I wonder that it may not be real.   Always plan on two coats.  The only time one coat may be allright is if it is a similar color and the paint is flat.  In a standard sized room like your average bedroom, I can easily finish the walls in 4-6 hours, two coats.   The time usually depends on how much patching is involved.   Pro painters do not hammer out rooms in a couple of hours.   Those are called apartment painters.


Thank you so much.  I was getting worried because I thought it was taking me way too long to paint rooms.  It sounds like I'm just about there.

Occasionally, people will ask me if I can do the entire room.  This includes ceiling, trim, and baseboards.  I take it that, if you're doing it properly, this turns into a full day kind of job.  Correct?

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Re: I just started my own painting business (PLEASE HELP)
« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2011, 06:36:46 PM »
Full day or more.

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Re: I just started my own painting business (PLEASE HELP)
« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2011, 07:02:22 PM »
Full day or more.

I love you.

I charge $12.00 an hour (and make sure my clients know my inexperience before hiring me) and always felt bad if I thought it was taking me too long.  I would get sooooooo frustrated because I thought I was taking forever.