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DIY Home Painting => Home Owner's DIY (General painting) Forum => Topic started by: rmichael on March 02, 2007, 01:03:29 PM
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A good paintbrush makes a big difference in your painting project's end result. Here is a very good PDF on what to look for in a brush.
From Dupont
http://www.plastics.dupont.com/plastics/pdflit/filaments/h81033.pdf
Best of Luck with your DIY projects,
rmichael
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That'll help me......thanks
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You may find this extra info useful too from my blog. I have a closeup photo of a quality brush next to one less quality.
http://jackpauhl.blogspot.com/2007/04/brushes-closeup.html (http://jackpauhl.blogspot.com/2007/04/brushes-closeup.html)
http://jackpauhl.blogspot.com/2007/04/selecting-paint-brush.html (http://jackpauhl.blogspot.com/2007/04/selecting-paint-brush.html)
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Don't be afraid to pay $20 for a good paint brush. It will make painting SOOOO much easier, produce a nicer finish that minimizes brush lines, makes cutting sharp lines against a ceiling or around trim a lot easier, and if you clean it out properly after each use it will last a long time.
I only use cheap brushes when I have no intention of cleaning the brush when I am done. Like when using a shellac based primer that requires methyl hydrate to clean the brush. Throwing away a $2 brush is cheaper than cleaning it.
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>> If you plan on taping-off before you paint then you can use any brush on the market and the following information is meaningless. The following example is for those of us who cut-in freehand without masking tape.<<
What! What about brush marks? I think that a good brush is important whether you tape or not.
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>> If you plan on taping-off before you paint then you can use any brush on the market and the following information is meaningless. The following example is for those of us who cut-in freehand without masking tape.<<
What! What about brush marks? I think that a good brush is important whether you tape or not.
I totally agree.
Even if it is taped off its nice to have a brush that holds a good amount of paint and doesn't look like you used a whisk broom to apply the product.
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plastics.dupont.com/plastics/pdflit/filaments/h81033.pdf
The notes are here!!
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>> If you plan on taping-off before you paint then you can use any brush on the market and the following information is meaningless. The following example is for those of us who cut-in freehand without masking tape.<<
What! What about brush marks? I think that a good brush is important whether you tape or not.
Give me a whisk brush and a good gallon of leveling paint. I will show you no brush marks.
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>> If you plan on taping-off before you paint then you can use any brush on the market and the following information is meaningless. The following example is for those of us who cut-in freehand without masking tape.<<
What! What about brush marks? I think that a good brush is important whether you tape or not.
Give me a whisk brush and a good gallon of leveling paint. I will show you no brush marks.
Okay, but why?
Homeowners reading this bulletin board are not all using self levelling paint. Most of them don't even know what that is. Using a good brush is always better than using a crappy one. That's the message that the DIY'ers should be getting from the pros IMO.
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Sorry Jack, but I totally agree with Carl on this one. Don't try to confuse the DIY's. That is not the point of this forum. It is to help not confuse :o
Lynjo
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The leveling properties of most latex paints leaves a lot to be desired, and leveling (in general) is directly related to proper application. Pros depend on professional quality tools to help them achieve professional results regardless of the coating being applied. DIYs will do well to start with a good brush..
Save the whisk broom for cleanup... ;)
rmichael
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Working with different painters, it is a real treat to watch some of them take a sow's ear and turn it into a silk purse relying on raw skill and ability more so than uber quality products. Knowing what corners can be cut without noticeable repercussions is part of the acquired expertise.
Have to agree that DIYers can't cut the same corners the same way no matter how thoroughly you try to explain it.
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Sometimes as well some very good brushes can have difficulty til broken in which for the DIY may not happen. A brush is like a pair of shoes. Doesn't feel comfy at first then it feels just right and performs well.
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The leveling properties of most latex paints leaves a lot to be desired, and leveling (in general) is directly related to proper application. Pros depend on professional quality tools to help them achieve professional results regardless of the coating being applied. DIYs will do well to start with a good brush..
Save the whisk broom for cleanup... ;)
rmichael
Yup, work smarter not harder! that's what the pro stores are here for....I have yet to find a better latex brush then the "Purdy Scooter".
hands down the best..
I have to cut in ceilings without touching the walls allot. and the Scooter is by far the best brush I have ever used. and it's really hard to find. don't know why? I usually just order a box.
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The leveling properties of most latex paints leaves a lot to be desired, and leveling (in general) is directly related to proper application. Pros depend on professional quality tools to help them achieve professional results regardless of the coating being applied. DIYs will do well to start with a good brush..
Save the whisk broom for cleanup... ;)
rmichael
Yup, work smarter not harder! that's what the pro stores are here for....I have yet to find a better latex brush then the "Purdy Scooter".
hands down the best..
I have to cut in ceilings without touching the walls allot. and the Scooter is by far the best brush I have ever used. and it's really hard to find. don't know why? I usually just order a box.
Frankie,
Can I get more info on the Scooter, which line of Purdy's is it in (XL, Nylox, Pro Extra, Elite Etc)
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for the homeowner its plain and simple; if it does'nt say purdy or wooster.....its crap!....get a 2.5in sash tool! it'll make cutting in much easier. We pros use flat brushes cause the ferrels are usually wider, hold more paint and you can pull both directions, therefore higher production. anyway, i've tried just about every brush out there so if you have a specific application i would love to give anyone my advice/opinion. i basically use the following; 3in.blue bristle purdy swan for walls--2.5insash for int. trimand windows (3infor ext. or flat brush if no window sashes to paint) now, for special aps like painting over high gloss i use a green label red latex purdy 2.5 sash.....raw block/brick etc...i use a black nylon 3.5 or 4in purdy....and i use a flat or sash white china purdy for oil.....
etc etc................. hope this is helpful.......................
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Use a paintbrush or roller brush that holds paint well and doesn't leave
the bristles/lints together with the paint on the painted surface.
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Wow yall,
All the time I've picked up a paint brush just to put it back down because it just didn't feel right
and felt cheap, I now understand why I've put more brushes back on the shelf rather than
bought them. Interesting articles about the brushes. I do believe my confusion is cleard up.
Alot more to it than meets the eye ;)
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I did see the Purdy brushes in HD while buying my painters tape, and the difference in those
up against all the others didnt even compare. The purdy (yellow packaging) are so soft
and smooth. I knew by the price they had to be some of the best around, but wanted to check in here first, and now you pros have me getting ready go and get my brushes :)
I cant stand it when a bristle comes off the brush and gets in the paint. :(!!
I have a feeling I wont be trying to get a bristle out of my painting projects with these brushes
;D
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The Purdy's sold in the big box stores are not the top of the line brushes you can get at a real paint store.That being said, they will be better than anything else there and most likely serve your purpose.
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Thanks Chrisn,
A great tip.
Instead of taking alot of time thinking about where to go for the best paint and brushes,..(not to mention gas money), the "real" paint stores are the solution. In my area, I have more and two locations of BM and SW, not to mention a couple more A+ grade paint stores.
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I'm going to start painting this weekend. I had no idea where to begin picking out a brush or roller. This was very helpful! Please feel free to stop by my blog- I will be posting my progress so you can make fun of me! haha
My blog is www.downhomefeeling.blogspot.com
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I prefer the Wooster to the Purdy because of the stiffness, Purdy's always feel a bit soft to me which is ok with thin material but can be frustrating with most latex paints which have more body than stains or poly finishes. Firm or extra firm work best for me with most paints.
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Give me a whisk brush and a good gallon of leveling paint. I will show you no brush marks. :o :o
Right JP, this is VERY helpful, just what every home owner needs to hear.We all know that you are a painting GOD and can do things with paint and tools that no other mortal can, but there is no need for that here.We actually try and help people that do not have you're almighty powers.
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Best paint brushes i believe in are Wooster Pro Classics. They are firm brushes and if you know how to use them you can almost do magic with them. I use a 3" brush practically all the time. LIttle or big projects. As long as you know what your doing alls you need is about 2-3 hairs for all those hard to reach areas and your in good shape. I am a Wooster fan for life when it comes to brushes. They are firm and I need that being that i am heavy handed. Im not sure if that matters or not but I can use a purdy but i prefer a wooster.
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I use corona or wooster brushes. I had been using purdy. I have found in recent years though that they don't hold up as good as they used to. I think they are starting to cheap out on the amount of bristles. I have also found that newer low VOC paints are thicker and stiffer bristles move the paint along better, especially on new drywall. I have always found that the smoother the surface the softer the bristles you want to use.
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I've been trying to find these Wooster ,extra firm , instead of just ultra , got real hooked and then can't find them anymore, I wish could just order them myself instead of the paint store. The purdy's that I used to use are too soft for anything resembling speed, they are fine tipped but I am too anxious to be going slow. Often by the time my soft brushes finally suit me they are frozen at the ferrulle, dripping like a dirty dog,any sensible person would have tossed it but I like to give em a final farewell of unglorious use.
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It also depends quite a bit on what you are using the brush for. For example if you are making a dog house you should likely go with a cheaper brush unless it is a featured part of your yard. When it comes to paint brushes though, you usually get what you pay for. Maintenance is really the crucial part when you have good ones.
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A good paintbrush makes a big difference in your painting project's end result. Here is a very good PDF on what to look for in a brush.
From Dupont
http://www.plastics.dupont.com/plastics/pdflit/filaments/h81033.pdf
Best of Luck with your DIY projects,
rmichael
Nothing new but thanks for sharing.
My fav brush is Purdy. You don't need to know the science behind the making of a paint brush. The more money you spend the better it would do the job.
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We stick with Woosters here at (EDIT: LINK DELETED) for 30 years. Cant go wrong. Lasts for years and still draw a perfectly straigfht line! We use Purdy for good dusters! Personally I like a short handle wooden square heel soft nylon blend exploded tip.
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i agree with movado. after going through the hard way i learned my lesson
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The type of paintbrush depends upon he surface you want to paint. If you want to apply paint that are water based then use synthetic brush as it will not absorb the water, otherwise use natural brush bristles it will help to apply paint smoothly and evenly on the surface.
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I have to admit, I would typically skimp on paint brushes in the past, but now that my cutting in skills are steadily improving, I would like to invest in a decent nylon/polyester brush (mainly to avoid slight brush marks and blending with roller work. I've heard Purdy are one of the brands to look at?
All the best,
Cal :)
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I found an answer to the perfect paint brush, or in a sense, the perfect paint brush accessories.
Anyone who has ever painted can relate the pain of holding a paint brush. galaxG tools' ErgoMaster Pro Anti-Fatigue Paint Brush Handle will change the experience of painting from one of pain to one of comfort.
The ErgoMaster Pro from galaxG tools of Portland Oregon was awarded “Retailers' Choice Awards- Most Innovative New Product” by the North American Retail Hardware Association on May 8th, at the 2013 National Hardware Show® in Las Vegas.
The ErgoMaster Pro holds any size or brand of paint brush and can adjust to fit any hand size. The handle was designed to mimic the natural resting position of the hand, which gives it the utmost in comfort. The innovative design places 100% of the weight on top of the hand, rather than in it, allowing the user’s fingers to relax and simply guide. No longer will those who paint have to suffer from cramping and pain in the fingers and wrist.
These innovative new painting products can be found at galaxg.com, and can be liked on FaceBook as galaxG tools!
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Thank you Michael that will definitely help a lot. And I agree with you a good paint brush is very necessary to get better results in any painting project.
Duplex Architects (http://pza.com.au/profile/)
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Thanks!
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Its always nice to have useful information on discussion boards which is very helpful even to others.
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There's not enough time in a day to stress enough on how important a good brush is. Most diy'ers will buy crap simply because they don't know what a good brush is. And it's only $1.29! Not sure if I can put links here but I have a few video's on Youtube. Is it ok to post links?
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There's not enough time in a day to stress enough on how important a good brush is. Most diy'ers will buy crap simply because they don't know what a good brush is. And it's only $1.29! Not sure if I can put links here but I have a few video's on Youtube. Is it ok to post links?
i dont mind, id love to see em.....i wait until brushes go on sale at the various paint stores in my area, right now frazee is being taken over by sherwin williams so all there line of brushes went on sale at 55% off....i say good brushes?....NO, more like the proper brush for the particular task....a good brush NEVER makes a good paint job
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If you want to know the importance of a good paint brush, purchase a bad and inappropriate paintbrush and use it, results will indicate that how important a good paintbrush is for better paint..........
good luck
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My go to brush is a good old fashioned American made Purdy XL Glide. Natural wood handle. You can paint an entire house inside and out with one of those and it will still look like you just pulled it out of the cover for the first time. They will run you about $18 bucks for a 3" in my neck of the woods but it is worth every penny. Unlike cheap brushes I have never had a hair come loose during painting or found one that was deformed in the store and I have used Purdy brushes for all types of paints and stains day in and day out for years.
My current daily use interior brush for walls and trim is well over 4 years old and Purdy's actually get better with age as they break in a little as the the hairs become softer and the points more fine. Try and only dip them 1/2 way to 3/4 of the way tops up the hairs, wash fairly regularly with just warm water throughout the day and a brush comb ($4) when using latex and always put them back in their covers at the end of the job to keep their shapes and they will last for a very, very long time.
They hold and apply paint in a way that beats any other brush I have ever tried. Light and comfy to hold in your hand and work with too.
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I found an answer to the perfect paint brush, or in a sense, the perfect paint brush accessories.
Anyone who has ever painted can relate the pain of holding a paint brush. galaxG tools' ErgoMaster Pro Anti-Fatigue Paint Brush Handle will change the experience of painting from one of pain to one of comfort.
The ErgoMaster Pro from galaxG tools of Portland Oregon was awarded “Retailers' Choice Awards- Most Innovative New Product” by the North American Retail Hardware Association on May 8th, at the 2013 National Hardware Show® in Las Vegas.
The ErgoMaster Pro holds any size or brand of paint brush and can adjust to fit any hand size. The handle was designed to mimic the natural resting position of the hand, which gives it the utmost in comfort. The innovative design places 100% of the weight on top of the hand, rather than in it, allowing the user’s fingers to relax and simply guide. No longer will those who paint have to suffer from cramping and pain in the fingers and wrist.
These innovative new painting products can be found at galaxg.com, and can be liked on FaceBook as galaxG tools!
As someone who holds a paint brush for much of the day here are my initial thoughts.
1) The physics behind it make sense however it would seem that the added weight of the handle may INCREASE fatigue and not lessen it.
2) Seeing as I use a 1 gallon paint can as a cut can I would have to remove the handle which each dip seeing as I never fill my cut cans past about 1/3 full. Bit of a time waster there. Also if working on a ladder having to remove and reattached the handle with each dip using two hands would not only be dangerous but one could easily drop it.
3) I have tried various gimmicky painting tools over the years and none have worked better than good old fashioned, classic paint tools.
4) The handle clearly looks like a male specific appendage. Sorry but there it is I said it.
5) $25 bucks is more than I paid for my brush and I use the best brush you can buy.
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Fantastic information. Most of my brushes have outlived their lives and its time I bought some new. it's been ages since I last painted, and finding it difficult to find time. :'(
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Quality doesn't cost you money, it saves you money! A good quality brush is always going to pay you well! Good thread.
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I you want to give a eye-catching looks to your home, you need good paint. But the one think that matters in good painting is paintbrush. Because without good paintbrush you are not able to paint your home in better way... :)
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Don't be afraid to pay $20 for a good paint brush. It will make painting SOOOO much easier, produce a nicer finish that minimizes brush lines, makes cutting sharp lines against a ceiling or around trim a lot easier, and if you clean it out properly after each use it will last a long time.
I only use cheap brushes when I have no intention of cleaning the brush when I am done. Like when using a shellac based primer that requires methyl hydrate to clean the brush. Throwing away a $2 brush is cheaper than cleaning it.
Excatly I always invest 30 bucks into a quality brush and take care of them as best as possible...
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Investing in a decent brush definitely saves in long run. I try my best not to worried about forking out because it does pay back.
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